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"what if a powerful government were to hatch a plot to exterminate jehovahs witnesses as an organization.
many men in modern times have attempted to do that and failed" watchtower study edition july 15, 2012 page 23. call me cynical, but the timing, the reference to a powerful government (u.s.), and the use of the words "hatch a plot to exterminate" is right up the alley of the watchtower "the world is against us" tactics..
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"What if a powerful government were to hatch a plot to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses as an organization. Many men in modern times have attempted to do that and failed" Watchtower Study Edition July 15, 2012 page 23
Call me cynical, but the timing, the reference to a powerful government (U.S.), and the use of the words "hatch a plot to exterminate" is right up the alley of the Watchtower "the world is against us" tactics.
our friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
I am new here, less than 40 comments so far. I don't recall having read anything from OOMPA in the short time I have been here. Nonetheless I feel it is a very tragic event when someone as young as he takes his life. My sincere condolences to those who knew him and loved him.
It may not be the most appropriate time to say what I am going to say, but I feel is relevant. What evidence do any of you have that the WTS is the cause of this tragedy? A lot of people are, or are prone to be, mentally imbalanced. The imbalance could be traced to genetics, chemistry, what have you. Those mentally imbalanced are also more prone to embrace cults such as WTS. My point is: aren't we putting too much blame on the WTS for the suicides commited. It's not that JW's are exclusively targetting people with emotional/mental problems. As far I know they want to recruit anyone. It just happens that the most vulnerable are their main victims. Namely, children, ingenuous people, uneducated individuals and yes, people with emotional/mental problems. I know he was a born-in, but how do we know that he wouldn't have commited suicide had he been born under different circumstances too. I know almost nothing about OOMPA, but is it possible that his suicide could have just as easily been triggered by some other "disappointment". Or, if he had escaped alive this time, he wouldn't try it again because the love of his life rejected him, or his boss fire him unfairly.
don't you hate these misleading headers.
i usually wait a day to see if there are a significant number of posters to the page.. but just look at the number of visitors that click on these kinds of subjects.. it builds up really fast.. i don't mind the time factor (1 milisecond) clicking on a bogus "new-secret-this will bring the org crashing down" type of post, but i have to admit it is very disappointing.. .
Scrotum
You are in my black list now
don't bother me with the josephus addendum.
i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.
" don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.
Proof?
God never lies
The Bible is the authentic word of God
The Bible says Jesus lived here on Earth
Therefore God truthfully says Jesus existed
Therefore Jesus existed.
QED
Socrates and Spinoza together couldn't challenge the conclusion.
yes, i discovered this program thanks to an obama supporter in cleveland.
if you are low income or receive a government program like food stamps, then you can get a free cell phone with 250 minutes and maybe even a $10/mo broadband internet connection.
with the economy being so bad, there is no reason to give up a phone and internet, which you need to find a job and get back to work-.
King Solomon,
I agree with you about your implying the lack of objectivity from many radio and TV shows with conservative or ultraconservative tendencies. However, you missed something, the list of stations with low-intellect listeners can be completed by adding the much longer list of lefty tendentious shows on TV and radio.
At times you seem a man of high intellect, not in this thread though.
the second 45 minute video is now online:.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zcvocgamqg&feature=youtu.be.
As an outsider (never been a JW, only took a bible study 18 years ago and stumped a C.O. in the process) or a neutral party to the beef between WTS and apostates I am going to claim to be a disinterested party and render my veredict.
Eric, you definitely looked in control of the meeting and certainly kicked their butt. A very dignified exit you performed.
i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.
if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.
this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.
Leolaia,
I sent you a private message
ya know what!
i'm tired of being polite and nice to jws.
esp when they try to shame you to your face with a smile.
JW's leaders make me mad because they say the stupidist things to justify their positions. Here's an email from an elder of a congregation. He was raised in the truth, he is also replacement of the c.o and a big honcho in every c.a. and d.a. He has 3 brothers, one has been a c.o. for many years, second is a lawyer in bethel, third brother is an elder who is also pursuing a law degree too. Oh I forgot his father is a retired medical doctor and an elder. I believe there's two other brothers, one I don't know the scoop, the other is DF'd.
The following is a part of multiple e-mails that he and I exchanged regarding the watchtower publications, prophecies, creation and higher education. I will post more later. Read and tell me if it doesn't make you cringe:.
"...Personally, I don't give more creedence to a scientists conclusions than I do to a polititian, religious leader or guy on the street. I also test everything I read in the Watchtower Publications. They are not perfect, they have been wrong before and I expect they will also be wrong in the future. But that applies to all publications. If, for example, a scientific journal reports one thing today, and next year informs us that new discoveries have shed new light on the subject and modified the previous conclusions, we hail it as a truth-seeking publication. That is what the Watchtower Publications are. They do not pretend to be inspired by God. Only the Bible can boast that distinction."
inside my head is a tangled ball of wool when it comes to what i believe.
i have days where i believe in a creator and other days when i don't.
then there are times when i refer to this as believing in 'something' but what exactly this something is, i have no idea.
I have never been a JW, but I have a wife, a daughter, two brothers and lots of friends who are.
Here's my two cents. Don't wory too much, just learn, read about science, philosophy, other religions, other cultures. You may never reach a conviction of the existence of a caring God, but the journey is mighty interesting and actually distracts you from your unnecessary concern about a caring God. As a person who is always interested in science, philosophy and in learning from smarter men, I find solace in knowing that I have reached similar conclusions about God as Albert Einstein and Baruch Spinoza did. I am willing to believe in a creator of the universe and the harmonious laws that regulate it. But certainly I do not believe in the God of the bible who dispenses reward and metes out punishment.
just like in another thread a saw, the best way to deal with my jws is not debating or arguing, but instead posing questions for them to answer or not answer.
i want to come up with specific questions relating to the 'global flood' that completely debunk it.
what say you, jw.net?.
Leolaia,
You and others in this site write as if you could have never been indoctrinated in the JW faith. You display erudition in your comments that makes it hard to believe that you could have ever been sold such conspicuosly fallacious argumentation as that of the WTS. Could I ask you for a very brief explanation of your background?
By the way, thank you. I never fail to read closely any of your comments whenever I see them. They never disappoint. Actually, they are always great.
